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kentuckiannna
This never used to happen, but now it's almost every day. Is it something I can fix on this end, or is the site undergoing maintenance that makes this happen? Thanks in advance.
GhostWriter
QUOTE(kentuckiannna @ Sep 11 2007, 11:43 PM) *
This never used to happen, but now it's almost every day. Is it something I can fix on this end, or is the site undergoing maintenance that makes this happen? Thanks in advance.

Maybe it's because your changing your last name.

*ducks*

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edit to say sorry I am of no help with the logging in question. unsure.gif
kentuckiannna
QUOTE(GhostWriter @ Sep 12 2007, 08:46 AM) *
QUOTE(kentuckiannna @ Sep 11 2007, 11:43 PM) *
This never used to happen, but now it's almost every day. Is it something I can fix on this end, or is the site undergoing maintenance that makes this happen? Thanks in advance.

Maybe it's because your changing your last name.

*ducks*

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edit to say sorry I am of no help with the logging in question. unsure.gif


Haha. That was a good one, John. biggrin.gif
FallingLeaf
QUOTE(kentuckiannna @ Sep 11 2007, 11:43 PM) *
This never used to happen, but now it's almost every day. Is it something I can fix on this end, or is the site undergoing maintenance that makes this happen? Thanks in advance.


Belly,

Likely a cookie issue, or a cached pages issue (your PC stores pages on your machine for quicker access, and is supposed to load the "real" web page if it's newer... this is not always consistent).

Do this:

1. In Internet Explorer, go to Tools menu-->Internet Options-->General tab... and click Settings under the "browsing history" section.
2. Under the buttons for "check for newer versions of stored pages" ensure that "every time I visit the page" is marked.

Try again.

3. If that doesn't work, go again to Tools menu-->Internet Options-->General tab... and click Delete under the "browsing history" section. When it asks for specifics, click Delete All. Note that you'll lose all your stored cookies, so any stored passwords and such will be gone for all sites. If this works, then next time you visit the orchard you'll have to login again... but hopefully not again afterwards.

Hope that helps.
shang
QUOTE
I contend that we are both atheists, I just believe in one less god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods, then you will know why I dismiss yours. --Stephen F. Roberts



Good one.


kentuckiannna
QUOTE(FallingLeaf @ Sep 12 2007, 12:56 PM) *
Belly,

<snip>

Hope that helps.


Thanks. I'm using Firefox, but your advice may have helped me identify a route there. We'll see if it works out. Thanks for the lifeline, bro!
keith from ny
I had to keep logging in suddenly for a while, but since I started meditating I've been able to log in slowly again.

OK, that was silly... actually I've been having the same issue with PattyNet on Firefox at work for months now, and Gillian (the site admin) has no idea what's causing it. My hypothesis is that our network administrator doesn't like Patty Griffin.
FloridaGirl
There is a Firefox security preference that will clear all private data (cookies, cache, etc.) every time you close Firefox. You can modify the setting to clear private data after a certain number of days, or only when you manually clear it. I use a Mac so I can't give specific directions to Windows users, but if you can find the Preferences menu, you should be able to find and modify the setting pretty easily.
kentuckiannna
QUOTE(keith from ny @ Sep 12 2007, 09:16 PM) *
My hypothesis is that our network administrator doesn't like Patty Griffin.


Bastard! And that wasn't funny, you're right. tongue.gif

Thanks Becky (I kinda mis calling you Flo, ftr). I think I stumbled upon that solution thanks to Troy's advice. smile.gif
FallingLeaf
Oh, NOW I see the real root cause... stop using Firefox. wink.gif

I can't tell you how many times people have not been able to do this or do that, and I finally ask, "wait a minute... are you using Firefox?" They nod weakly. And I'm like, "yeah, OK. So, install IE and get over the idea that Microsoft can be boycotted. And spare me all that 'it's so much faster' crap." 99% of the time that fixes the issue.

Just sayin'...
pico de gallo
QUOTE(FloridaGirl @ Sep 12 2007, 06:48 PM) *
There is a Firefox security preference that will clear all private data (cookies, cache, etc.) every time you close Firefox. You can modify the setting to clear private data after a certain number of days, or only when you manually clear it. I use a Mac so I can't give specific directions to Windows users, but if you can find the Preferences menu, you should be able to find and modify the setting pretty easily.

In Windows, you can manage Firefox's cookies under Tools - Options - Privacy
GhostWriter
Slight hijack here...

I've come across a virus thingie with firefox. Many may already know about this, but I started having IE browser windows fire open FROM FIREFOX recently. Gave the box to my "computer guy" and he was able to straighten out most of it, but not all. For the time being, I'm now upgraded to IE7 (with tabbed browsing) and experiencing "less" problems.

[/hj]
keith from ny
QUOTE(FallingLeaf @ Sep 13 2007, 07:59 AM) *
Oh, NOW I see the real root cause... stop using Firefox. wink.gif

I can't tell you how many times people have not been able to do this or do that, and I finally ask, "wait a minute... are you using Firefox?" They nod weakly. And I'm like, "yeah, OK. So, install IE and get over the idea that Microsoft can be boycotted. And spare me all that 'it's so much faster' crap." 99% of the time that fixes the issue.

Just sayin'...

I have IE installed, I just don't use it (although I'm an enthusiastic user of several other MS apps). This is the only issue I've had with Firefox, hardly seems worth abandoning it for.
kentuckiannna
QUOTE(FallingLeaf @ Sep 13 2007, 07:59 AM) *
Oh, NOW I see the real root cause... stop using Firefox. wink.gif

I can't tell you how many times people have not been able to do this or do that, and I finally ask, "wait a minute... are you using Firefox?" They nod weakly. And I'm like, "yeah, OK. So, install IE and get over the idea that Microsoft can be boycotted. And spare me all that 'it's so much faster' crap." 99% of the time that fixes the issue.

Just sayin'...


I have IE, but I only use it when some crummy corporation, institution or agency forces me to in order to access what I need from them. I will NOT get over the idea that Microsoft can be boycotted, because they can, though that really isn't my purpose in using Firefox. Rather than boycotting, I support options. I'm pro-choice in every way. Firefox is an option, so, yes, I use it. I support the de-homogenization of the PC industry. That's different than boycotting, though.

That said, I've never encountered a problem with Firefox that didn't involve a message that the page only worked on IE. And I've been using it for over three years now.

I do appreciate the time you took to offer your original advice, so thanks!
FallingLeaf
QUOTE(kentuckiannna @ Sep 13 2007, 10:16 AM) *
<snip>

I do appreciate the time you took to offer your original advice, so thanks!



This could be an interesting discussion. Far beyond your issue with Orchard, of course, but I'm a nerd and I find this stuff interesting. Excuse the long post, in advance.

I see what you're saying, I do. Keep in mind that my perspective is a bit different than yours.... I've been working as an IT guy across some pretty industrial strength systems for 10+ years now, and I see browsers in use for everything from message boards like this to enterprise applications like SAP & Oracle to run manufacturing, finance, etc. for my customers. Of course, I've seen many other applications along the way: Operating Systems (Windows vs. Linux vs. AS/400 vs. Mac vs. Unix of all flavors), middleware (systems that get you from the "front end" to the "back end"), and end-user applicatons (browsers, desktop apps, blah blah). And I can tell you based on my experience that Microsoft is not just the Biggest because it's the Biggest. That's certainly a factor, of course, because people want what they create to be usable elsewhere... and that requires software that's universally compatible (not open-source - more on that below). The real reason Microsoft is the biggest is because 1) its business practices, but 2) its applications are more refined. They're stronger and better supported, end of story. Because of their business practices and because of their money.

Right about now, there are people reading this and getting their hackels up. smile.gif

Sure, I know the arguments about other companies writing cleaner code, with less overhead, etc.... like that a browser such as Firefox might have sleeker, faster code or whatever. I get it. Hell, I agree with it. But that doesn't make it BETTER. The fact is that most websites out there are written with IE in mind, either consciously or not, because IE is running on Windows, because there are service packs for it that cover every OS type that fix every flaw identified, and which intertwine it with the OS so closely that the two are one entity. The applications that are used to write the websites are running on Windows, too, in 90 out of 100 cases, which makes them intertwined with the OS as well. Web developers on Mac's? Sure thing... there's an IE for that too. Linux? You betcha, but not many.... and you know why? Linux is "open source," which leads the freedom fighters to say, "why doesn't Microsoft go open source? they should share their code!" To which I would respond that if MS did go open-source, and share their code, they'd lose the refinement as every Tom, Dick and Harriet would start botching up the controls and make it a free for all... which is precisely why Linux ain't ready for primetime, despite what the home Linux lover will tell you. Microsoft's code is heavy, and klugy at times, and proprietary, and it's had its holes over the years... and believe me, give me an HP-UX box 6 days a week and twice on Sundays when you need to run the databases and the applications... but when it comes to end-user stuff, give me Microsoft every day. Compatibility is key, universality is key, and knowing that you have a browser that every company, every website, and every computer serving up http MUST support is the way to go. Go to SAP's website and tell them you're having trouble entering exercises for system evaluation via Firefox, and they'll say "install IE and let us know." And when you do that, your problem will be solved.

I'm all about fair business and equality and yada yada... but the argument about "de-homoginizing" the industry doesn't hold water for me, in that context. Extend that into the medical practice... one drug is known to absolutely treat a heart attack if given within minutes of onset. There are other drugs, too.... wanna use those? Me neither. But make it generic! OK, in which case everybody will be able to make it, and research $$$ to make it better will stop, unless someone has the right to hold all the keys again. Same story with software: no incentive to make better code means no better code, and no universal compatibility. And for me, that's the whole wide working world, ya know? If you want to de-homoginize, do so by creating other computers and software that do different things, not the same thing.... the same as you could create a drug for liver failure instead. Let the strongest kid on the block be the strongest kid.

Sheesh, that was wordy. smile.gif

kentuckiannna
QUOTE(FallingLeaf @ Sep 13 2007, 12:00 PM) *
QUOTE(kentuckiannna @ Sep 13 2007, 10:16 AM) *
<snip>

I do appreciate the time you took to offer your original advice, so thanks!



This could be an interesting discussion. Far beyond your issue with Orchard, of course, but I'm a nerd and I find this stuff interesting. Excuse the long post, in advance.

<snip>

Sheesh, that was wordy. smile.gif


Hehe, yeah, it was. But seriously, sorry for the lack of response, but the discussion is a bit above my head. If Microsoft works for you, so be it. It works for me too in my operating system and several software applications. I still don't see the problem with some competition. And I still prefer Firefox. It's more functional for me than IE, which, while having practically cloned itself on the Firefox model, is still clunky and ugly in my opinion.
pico de gallo
QUOTE(kentuckiannna @ Sep 14 2007, 08:11 AM) *
And I still prefer Firefox. It's more functional for me than IE, which, while having practically cloned itself on the Firefox model, is still clunky and ugly in my opinion.

I have the same position. Firefox works better for me at least 90% of the time. I have three machines running XP, and they all choke with IE 7. That leaves me with IE 6 with security holes and a very dated user interface. IE 7 on Vista works fine, but I'm curious if anyone has it running errorless on XP.

Some of you Firefox users may want to download the IE Tab add-on: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1419
FallingLeaf
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