OK... this a fun song. I forgot it existed until re-spinning OHIO disc 2 today.

Have they played "When You Say Love" in concert?

I've yet to hear it - that I can remember.

It's a shame if they skip fun songs like that while continually playing the same ole "Jesus in Ohio's Hometown Reminds Us of Pough."

Just sayin'... PLAY "WHEN YOU SAY LOVE"...
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To my knowledge, it hasn't been played, but I'd like to hear it, too...

Some of the songs on Ohio took awhile to grow on me, but that's the only one that I really can't handle. It really should've been saved for a "tweener" release, and even then I'm not sure it should've come out.


What they really need to play is "Idea 21." Like, get the singers they got on the studio version to guest with them on Taft, and do it as the encore. The place would go nuts.

ick... on "Idea #21." I like the "gospel music" sound, but I don't think it works for OtR. Personal preference, though. I'd still like to hear them bust it out more than their standard setlist fare.

As for OHIO, I like "When You Say Love" because of it's a different feel compared to 96% of the rest of the release. And they never play it live; so it isn't stale with me. Most of the rest of OHIO was stale with me before it got released... with the exception of "BPD," "Suitcase," "LFling," and "HLHYBStoned."

I'd take one show of them playing "When You Say Love" over the 9,000+ seconds lost on the title track in a live setting...

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I agree it's different, it just didn't really work for me.

I thought the gospel thing was really cool...my only problem with Idea 21 is that it so obviously wasn't finished (can anyone confirm this?). It sounds like they had started it, and didn't know what to do with it so they made it a hidden track, but the ending should have been so much more, instead of just kind of dying out. It sounds like they intended something else to happen but didn't have time to fully realize it. But the song itself is great...

We actually did it in a class last fall, I got a few singers and found a girl who could sing in a Karin-style pretty well, and we did it...i should post an mp3 of it sometime.

Some of the stuff on those "tweeners" have been absolutely wonderful...

• Besides had Miles, Murder, Lucy, Hej (I Do).
• Amateur Shortwave Radio had the 1st Moth. Beaut.
• The Cutting Room Floor had Spinning, Green-clouded Swallowtail, acoustic Give Me Strength... great stuff. "Spinning" was worth the CD alone, IMO.

I count the "tweeners" as legitimate releases... not just random rarities packages... they're quite essential.

With regards to if "When You Say Love" would've fit better on a "tweener" rather than on OHIO... well, if so, it would'a made OHIO a lot less diverse... and a lot less likely for me to pick up and listen to... it's a record on the bubble with me now anyway. "When You Say Love" made me smile, because I had forgotten about it. It's got a deliciously silly keyboard line and the guitar (or bass) punches... yay. Fun stuff.

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There's essential stuff on all of the "tweeners," but there's also a few tracks on each one that may or may not have been deserving of release.

I agree they could have made Ohio a little more diverse...they could always hire some guitar player from Chicago to stir things up a little.

Billy Corgan is already trying to get the Pumpkins back together... so I doubt he'd take OtR's request seriously...

Oh, wait, I forgot... you were probably talking about that guy from The Children's Hour.



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I really like When You Say Love. The reviewer from Paste magazine, even though he gave the album their "masterpiece" rating, said that disc one was perfect and disc two was near perfect, only faulting once or twice. I bet he meant this song. That's always annoyed me because I think a lighter song like this is essential to keeping my interest. It's one of the reasons that disc two is my favorite.

On an album with incredibly memorable lyrics throughout, the first verse of WYSL is one on my favorites.